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Originally Posted by KhaoZ \FA\

Actually, it's an average of about 4 or 5 major polls that were all within a few percentage points and done over the entire country. +-30%? Try +-5% max.

I'd really doubt the +-5%. Thats impossible. Maybe within those people surveyed. Like I said I wasn't asked, nor was ANYONE I know and I know a lot of people who would speak up about being asked as they all see these "polls" as wrong because they can't possibly ask everyone.

So because you know a few Republican supporters, the whole country is that way? Wrong. And 100,000 shows only 10% support? Wrong as well. You factor in that MOST people don't go out and voice their opinions in protests, and 100,000 is a TON of people.

You call over ~60% of the population in an area a few people? Im not sure its exactly 60% but I know I saw more republican supporters than democrat supporters and pretty much every house had one of those signs showing who they supported. Yet some how the area voted democrat. Thats a problem. Everyone sees Maryland turning to republican but the people that count the ballots. Kind of weird if you ask me.

How about the solution of NOT THROWING AWAY OUR MONEY? Did we NEED to give $600,000,000,000 for a war and a country not of our own? Do we need to pass this bill Bush is trying to get through, that will give him $2,900,000,000,000 for the military so he can continue with Iraq and possibly move on Iran and Syria? Yes, that's 2.9 TRILLION DOLLARS!

Go for it. Its because he can't do what he wants that it has to cost so much. I know leveling a country doesn't cost that much. It can't. But we have to play nice so it will cost so much. If thats what it takes go for it. Thats a part of my taxes Im proud to pay for, except for the rebuilding part.

When this is all over with, our kids will have no America to live in. We may as well start handing out kids over to other countries as slaves and have them work off our debts, because at this rate it will happen sooner or later anyway.

What debts? We have the 3rd highest currency in the world. Its going down but I doubt in my lifetime it will become bad enough for the situation you say. However your also forgetting the money other countries owe us. Theres a lot out there. Start collecting to pay off the "debt".

That explains why you know a lot of republicans. Bush is making the rich richer, and the poor poorer. He's creating a class divide in this nation like has never been seen before.

Bush tried to put tax breaks in for everybody, not just the rich. The rich are republicans because they understand that republicans work to make EVERYONE have more money by cutting things like welfare. Im not rich by any means Im actually just into middle class. However I know if you were to cut my taxes to stop paying for the guy down the street who refuses to work(there is plenty of work I can get you help wanted ads if you wish) then I'll bring home more money. If you would cut the gas tax instead of doubling it(democrats idea in MD, we'd have the highest gas tax in the country) I could bring home more money. These are simple things that would help me be more comfortable with my income. Im sorry but Im out to better myself as the crack dealer that breaks into my car on christmas eve to steal all the presents while Im at the store sure as hell doesn't care about me. Bad thing is he drives a benz and lives in government funded houses. Fuck that guy, he needs to be shot. Nothing but a plague on society.

Well that's just retarded on our government's part if true, helping people buy a $600,000 house, but your argument contradicts itself. No one who is jobless can afford a 600k house. Yet still, you have a problem with spending our money on American's who have been laid off because of the massive job loss in this country, but no problem with burning our money or giving it to other countries?

When they are given to you you can afford them on any income. Its not people who have been laid off. You figure Balitomore and DC are some of the more dangerous cities in the country. Laid off?? I doubt it... actually I know thats not the case. The people that want to get out do.

And I have seen these people "in need". Unlike you, I grew up in poor neighborhoods. I saw people struggle working multiple jobs to make ends meet, and those who did that, plus went to nightschool to try and get out of their situations, yet sometimes it wasn't enough. Not everyone can do that though. There are countless reasons for why people may be struggling. Or sometimes they needed extra help. I have no doubt there are many kinks in our system, and that there are those who don't need the help, getting more help than those who truely do need it. The system needs to be refined, not done away with. Maybe you should come down from your white tower and see what it's like in the common areas. Things aren't as glam as many of you think. And you may find it's not as easy as "get a job!" in many places and situations for many people.

"White tower"? The only reason I'd be up in my "white tower" is because my family and I worked our asses off to make our situation better. Just because Im not dirt poor now doesn't mean I started off that way. Like I said before, when I was born till I was about 3 my mom worked 3 jobs to put a roof over my head and food on the table for me. She didn't eat many nights because she could not afford to. After she got married she went to 2 jobs to make things meet for us. Now that shes married again she works a single job and is picking up a second job(as am I) this summer just to be able to have more than what we just need. So yea, I've seen it with my own eyes. The reason Im working as hard as I am is to not let my kids see the same thing. I want my kids to have a better life then I did. Theres a reason the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor and its not due to taxes. Its attitude. I realized this completely the other day when think about people view of rich people. Its actually a big eye opener. I use to think that you had to be born into it and taxes kept it that way. Actually I was a democrat for a while. Now I realize that anyone can make themselves "rich" with ease. Proper planning and attitude, thats all you need. Also Im not in college because I can't afford to go and am determined to make something of myself without it.

Bully that no one messes with? Everyone is messing with us, or do you not watch the news?

Japan has reinstated their military recently. They are working on becoming a force to be considered again. I think they realize that if the US does go belly up as many are predicting, they have no defenses, since currently we're pretty much their protection. They need more insurance, which is understandable.

And you can not take a single situation and pretend it would be ok to treat the entire world that way. We don't live in those days anymore, where armies met eachother on the battlefield, where you knew who your foe was because he was oposite you on the field, and when you duked it out, the winner was the last man standing. It is not open battle with another nation that we need to be worried about, it's the enemy that wants nothing more than to take as many of us with them as they die. Hiding in shadows. How long till our "bully" tactics piss off so many people, that we get a serious backlash? Chemical, or Nuclear backlash? Something that would make 9/11 look like a papercut. How long till we've invaded to many countries and the world is tired of us? How long till we destroy ourselves by spreading ourselves to thin, and throwing all of our resources/money down the drain? Not long I fear. At least at this rate.

You hate on Clinton for considering what other nations had to say. For using the U.N.. For being part of a world democracy, where no man or nation is king over all, and everyone gets a say. You hate on that? I guess you would if you support a tyrant king like Bush. A man who wont even listen to others and debate the best tactics for the Iraq War. A man who says he will DO WHAT HE WANTS, and it is HIS CHOICE. Are those the words of a leader of a democratic society as we like to pretend the US is? No.

I guess if you support tyranny and a monarchy, then trying to be part of a world union democracy wouldn't be attractive at all. And being a Bully to the world would seem the better alternative.

Long live the king!

The UN is a joke. Hey everybody lets talk about everything and solve nothing. IF the UN worked sadam wouldn't have needed to be taken out of power. Stalin wouldn't have committed the crimes he did. Yea, it works well. Its just like a glorified League of Nations. Same idea slightly different execution. The UN only worked right at first then it has failed ever since.


I'd have to say Spin has some points. That letter is classic, sad thing is thats how everyone I know felt. But for the democrats defense there are a bunch(I don't know exact numbers) of illegals that do indeed pay taxes already.